Wikinews talk:Credential verification

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[edit] Phone number

What is “+1-310-356-6217”. Are you then accredited by a voicemail number? --Blaite 12:51, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is the nmber to call to verify the credential's of a Wikinews user on this page. --Cspurrier 15:44, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ID Numbers

Amgine, the ID numbers already appear on those member's Press Cards. They cannot be changed. NGerda 21:31, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

The ID numbers which should appear on Press Cards are as follows:

  1. Stafford, Brandon (Pingswept)
  2. Franklin, Alan J (Alan_J_Franklin - voluntary request to de-accredit)
  3. Gerda, Nicholas (NGerda)
  4. Spurrier, Craig (Cspurrier)
  5. Novak, Jake (MrMiscellanious)
  6. Koepke, Ross (RossKoepke)

ID numbers should not be re-used, to avoid possible identifying issues. - Amgine / talk 20:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Revised, they are now...
  1. Stafford, Brandon (Pingswept)
  2. Franklin, Alan J (Alan_J_Franklin - voluntary request to de-accredit)
  3. Gerda, Nicholas (NGerda)
  4. Spurrier, Craig (Cspurrier)
  5. Novak, Jake (MrMiscellanious)
  6. Koepke, Ross (RossKoepke)
  7. Moreau, Nicholas (Zanimum)

[edit] Credential links

I think it would be handy to include links to the accreditation policy and those pending accreditation, just for reference. --Mrmiscellanious 16:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Great idea. -- NGerda 16:47, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to listing

Could my email just be transfered from nicholasmoreau((@))gmail.com to just plain nicholasmoreau@gmail.com. My spam filter's good, so it doesn't really matter if any more bots pick it up. Also, please add in that this is also my Google Talk account. Thx! -- user:zanimum

Done. --Chiacomo (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

can an admin update http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:CV#Stock.2C_Terin_.28Wikinews_user_Terinjokes.29 with the stuff from http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Terinjokes/ID_card

Thanks! terinjokes User Page / Talk 23:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page protection

Could someone please change the Location listing for Brown, Ed so that it correctly reads: Prince George, Virginia, USA.

Also, if there is such a thing as a Press Pass, where does an accredited reporter find it? -Edbrown05 07:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You find it on your user page or an admin emails it to you. (I think). —FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 14:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Messedrocker has a blank template, I've sent him a recent ID photo of myself and he sent me a beautiful press card... so you should be bothering him .--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accreditation

Is it possible to become accredited without having to make one's full name available on the Internet? Dev920 17:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes...but it is not a good idea. You get a press badge if you get voted in as accredited and it MUST have your full name printed on it as far as I know. It is possible, but I personally would not agree to an annymous user with credentials. DragonFire1024 17:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • As far as I'm concerned, accreditation cannot be given without revealing some details about your identity. That includes full name. You should end up with a press pass that has the same name on it as your driver's license. An accredited reporter using a false name would, in my opinion, be worse than what EssJay did. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
In some states it will also be considered fraud and that's a felony here. DragonFire1024 19:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
That may be the case in many other places too, but what should matter more than sticking to the law is getting the respect of your peers on the wiki. Being fairly honest about who you are is part of that. No? --Brian McNeil / talk 19:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking like the Arbitration Committee on Wikipedia, you can give your real name and details to whoever offline, but your name stays off the Internet. And I thought on WIkimedia you were judged by what you do, not who you are? Dev920 08:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

What you are is what you do. Either you stand by it, or you want to be some pseudonym that is accountable to what? Who is Dev920? HEY NOOOO BODY, how's that feel? Are you somebody? -Edbrown05 09:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Dev920 is a nobody. -Edbrown05 09:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Accreditation, unlike arbitration, is primarily used off-wiki - in the real world where screen-names are not common, to say the least. also, accredited reporters have to bear a certain responsibility for what they reports, and insisting on real names is one way of bringing that responsibiity home to those who seek accreditation. note that it is possible to do original reporting even without accreditation. and u can always take the help of an accredited member when you need it. –Doldrums(talk) 10:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Doldrums' remark is the most helpful on this (EdBrown05 takes some getting used to, but he doesn't mean to be nasty - he's just making a point a little cruelly). The point is that Accreditation is indeed for use in the real world. We don't have a requirement for real names for our Arbitration committee, the activity of that takes place entirely online and the candidates have been elected based on their online contributions. However, accreditation is - as stated - for use in the real world. It needs your real name as you can't turn up for an event and expect admission as Dev920. I'd go as far as saying that accredited reporters should all have an email address that identifies their real name posted on their talk page. I can be contacted on a variety of email addresses, and I don't have any which use a pseudonym associated with here. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat irrelevant anyway, as everything I have seen on Wikinews so far had already turned me right off. You treat everyone who comes over from other projects with extreme hostility, are arrogant and aloof about Wikinews, despite the fact that no-one, including most Wikimedia projects, pays attention to you, and tolerate incivility in your administrators (Ed would have been reprimanded on Wikipedia for his nastiness, not have it dismissed as "Oh, that Ed, what is he like?" That, more than anything, tells me what Wikinews is like). Your project will fail miserably until you get your act together and start being civil to people who join you. I wasn't planning on doing much here, anyway, but your attitude towards people like DavidShankbone only hurts your cause and makes you look stupid in the eyes of the people who do bother to visit here. 82.34.242.138 21:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
When members from other projects come over, we treat them as nicely as we can, although we already have a lot of accredited reporters. Wikinewsies requesting accredidation will need to write a story about that, and we don't want to have to delete it for not following policy. For example, if Wikinews would give accredidation to John13 from Wikipedia, who feels that no original research should be included on Wikinews, it might be pointless to give him accredidation, since accredidation is original research.  Thunderhead  ►  21:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think wikimedians fully appreciate that wikinewsies work toward the goal of original news gathering. Acadamia stuff, which forms most of wikimedia content, is not what news is about. The challenge is to guard against hoax reports, and yet remain receptive. If that makes wikinews rude, then pardon yourself when your introduction to a news source is prefaced with, "I'm 82.34.242.138." -76.104.104.187 07:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
"You treat everyone who comes over from other projects with extreme hostility" ? I was welcomed nicely and decided to stay, eventually spending most of my time here, instead of Wikipedia, which I find less friendly.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm with Stevenfruitsmaak on this one, we are welcoming when you come in by the front door and say "Hey! I wanna write news". In those circumstances the red carpet will be laid out for you and people will do their best to help see your contributions published. If you say "Hey! I want credentials, but can't adequately say how I'll contribute to your wiki" then you should expect a response like Ed's. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Totally agree with "Steven" and Brianmc. I came here as an imigrant from Wikipedia and I decided to stay here because everyone was very nice. I don't even make contributations on Wikipedia anymore as they are less friendly. 82.34.242.138, who probably is DavidShankbone, you don't feel welcome here because you exept the credentials right away. Editors that are humble and try their best to edit here will reciveve the credentials a lot faster. —FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 14:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive accredited reporters

First and foremost, can someone help clean up the list of active/inactive accredited reporters? If any of the people who are accredited and inactive have the AR template on their user or talk page I also think that should be removed.

Moving on from that to emails, as anyone who has emailed scoop recently will have discovered there are several people who aren't checking their Wikinewsie emails. For the last couple of emails I've sent to the list I got bounces from the following addresses:

  • frankie.roberto
  • kat.walsh
  • sean.heron
  • robert.lehrer

All these are @wikinewsie.org

How do people feel this should be dealt with? And, perhaps more importantly, how should we deal with those who are long-term inactive? Should we perhaps amend the accreditation policy to automatically de-accredit after a prolonged period of inactivity? --Brian McNeil / talk 10:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with de-accreditation. this is one place where inactivity leading to automatic loss of rights makes sense imho. However theres also some other issues. For example some of these people are active elsewhere in wikimedia. For some of them, that was a given at accreditation time (GMaxwell was always a commoner first, some were from other languages). However some people were active at wikinews then moved to other projects (like MessedRocker or Mindspillage). I'm uncertain how we should handle those. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall moving on to another project. You're welcome to rescind my credentials at any time, by the way. Also keep in mind my independent reconfirmation program in which I e-mailed each credentialed newsie and asked them if they still wanted their credentials. Those who say yes can be recalled by the community at any time, and those who say no (and those who don't respond by August 5, as the e-mail stipulates) will just have their credentials removed. MessedRocker (talk) 21:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just haven't seen you around lately (and the whole resignation message thing...). Anyways, good to see you around. I think your reconfirm program is the way to go by the way. Bawolff ☺☻ 10:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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